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Associated Press: Shutterbugs Ditching Digital For Film

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AP released a video story not long ago exploring how the recent trend in photography is how users are ditching digital for film. According to the video, “Shutterbugs are rediscovering aperture settings, ISO film, shutter speeds and other terminology.” The piece goes on to talk to a Lomography store owner.

Professionals, photography students and those with the knowledge: share your thoughts in the comments below. I for one think this is kind of dissing digital, but there is a recent trend of shooting with film again. I also believe that AP isn’t going in-depth enough to explore why film is making the comeback and that those that really know how to do digital work (and make good money off of it) will still continue to do so. That’s also not to say I hate film. The Leica M7and 50mm F1.4 Summilux review is in the works. Additionally, so is a review of the Fujifilm Instax MINI 7s White Instant Film Camerawith the INSTAX MINI Twin Pack Instant Film(which also come in a bundlefor the hipster in all of us.)

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Written by Chris Gampat

September 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm

  • http://www.apfelphoto.com Ivan Aps

    I think most of the people going back are the people who are advanced to pro photographers who may have only been shooting since the digital era. Their love, interest and intrigue into the art form leads them to the desire to try shooting film which is what all their digital equipment is based on. Just like when I was in college shooting film, we used to make our own glass plates and shot the way they did in the 1800′s with plate film and field cameras. There are many reasons why I see it being a very small trend that won’t grow. The first is that because most labs have changed over to digital printing, the cost of printing from film as well as film costs itself will remind people that they were able to afford to shoot because digital was so cheap. The second is that they will remember that film is 100% anti-green. The chemicals can not be recycled and can not be processed through the sewer system. Most cities require the use of a haz mat disposal service.

    The good thing is that it will cause many of these machine gun shooters to learn to slow down and wait for the right shot.

    • http://thephoblographer.wordpress.com Chris Gampat

      Those people yes, it makes sense. But also, a large part of it I feel has to do with Lady Gaga’s marketing and being creative director of Polaroid. Additionally, most people are intimidated by almost any camera and can’t figure it out.

    • http://www.colincorneau.com Colin Corneau

      I have to respond to the one point about the “green” aspect of film.

      One can only credibly make that comparison if the footprint of digital is also taken into account — the heavy metals used in circuit boards both in cameras and the computers needed for them.
      Look at the work Edward Burtynsky did in China, documenting a village devoted to tearing recyclable metals from discarded computers sent from the world over…the water table in the area has been poisoned permanently, for starters.

      I won’t diss digital either, since I make my living from it. But please don’t pretend digital is made up of unicorn laughter and cotton candy clouds, either.

      What’s important is that analog photography offers a valid creative choice – one that digital never will. And isn’t the world big enough for both, really?

      • Elaine

        I totally agree with Colin. Digital is just as damaging to the environment. I love both film & digital.

    • Steve Allan

      Film photography is not “100% anti-green”. The chenicals used for processing are easily handled by sewage treatment plants. The only solution requiring special treatment is the fixer, due to the concentration of silver in solution at the end of its working life.

      So what happens to the fixer? The silver is recovered and, hmmm, recycled! Funny that!

      If a person is processing film at home, they place a greater demand on the sewage treatment plant through their own bodily excretions. And flush away more toxic, and problematic materials through their daily cleaning/laundry activities.

      As for the cameras. I am using film cameras aged from about 10 years, to over 60 years old. Whereas I have friends and acquaintances who have had two or three digital cameras in the last ten years! How easily are they recycled? Not to mention the resource requirements for repeated upgrades.

      (BTW I use both film and digital cameras. No axe to grind ;^) )

      • Elaine

        I read about that too. I knew there were inaccuracies in that story! I have a friend who still develops and he said that very same thing about recycling the fixer.

  • Rabi

    The idea that you have to go to film to utilize aperture/shutter speed/etc. is sort of ridiculous.

    I do understand the appeal of film though. A few months ago I decided I should start shooting film and went to my local camera store looking for a used film body. Of course, instead of a cheap film body I walked out with a Sigma 70-200 2.8, but oh well.

    • http://thephoblographer.wordpress.com Chris Gampat

      Agreed.

      Congrats on the purchase ;)

  • http://www.bythewei.com bythewei

    Erm ok i guess i belong to that small group of people who ditch digital for film.

  • Andrew K

    I am noticing this trend here in Australia at the moment – i think in part due to the Lomography craze.
    A lot of people are really interested in film because it gives their images a much different character to digital and also simplifies the creative process quite a lot – especially using colour slide film as i do – one has a near finished product without processing or dicking around in photoshop. I’m not talking about dodgy, light leaking lomo images either!
    I worked at Canon for 3 years in (digital) product development and it was only when i sold my digital gear and bought into medium format film (Hasselblad) that my photography really started to improve.
    Really, really good film cameras are quite inexpensive these days and can easily give far superior results to “full frame” or smaller format digital cameras. The money i paid for my Hasselblad kit 2 years ago i could easily get back if i sold it today. Its lenses are world class, it is ultra reliable and doesn’t even need batteries (apart from a single AA in a light meter)
    Film is also cheap, contrary to popular belief. I wonder how many rolls of film i could shoot for the same price as a medium format digital setup (Phase One back ~$40,000 + computer, software, EIZO monitor, memory cards, insurance etc etc) – it’s many, many thousands of rolls.

    There is definitely a place for digital imaging – it has opened up infinite possibilities and options for distribution, editing, printing and so forth. I find the image capture process with a film camera is a superior experience to that of a digital – it lets one focus 100% on image making and not be bogged down by technology.

    • Jim

      I cannot agree that using film allows the photographer to concentrate 100% on image making.

      Shoot RAW and it is virtually the same experience ads shooting film, but doesn’t lay on all the restrictions that film has. Beyond that, being able to shoot without having to change film every 36 (or less) shots is particularly liberating

      Using digital tools has allowed me to be more experimental and creative than I could have ever hoped to be using film.

      I for one will never, ever, shoot film again.

  • http://writingwithlight.us Ed B.

    Why does it always have to come down to digital, or film? I am a film shooter, I use what most people would call antique (pre 1972) equipment, and I shoot almost exclusively B&W. I have a digital camera, and I use it when I need to get some thing on the web in a hurry. Both mediums have their place, and both are very viable forms of recording important events, and art. For me, it’s what I grew up with. Hell I’m still using the same dark room, and alot of the DR equipment that I did when I was 8 years old, and I’m now 58! To me, there is just something about the feel of a fully mechanical camera in my hands, and I love the anticipation of what the negatives will look like after they come out of the development process. The siren song of imediate gratification can be strong, but how many people who blaze away with there digital cameras will stil have their imagaes in 50, or more years. I recently found a stash of my late fathers photos from WW2, and they look as good as the day he processed them. Hey, just my opinion.

    • Elaine

      Exactly. It’s just a box that captures light!

  • http://new55project.blogspot.com bobclick

    Digital has no soul! Film is analog, like us, and has character and depth unlike digital. Instant film gives you a picture in a minute. Digital makes you go to your computer and do a lot of work.

  • steelneck

    Welcome to the postdigital society. Or rather, the beginning of it. The “post” state is what comes after the revolution is over, in this case when the society really has become digital. Parallels can of course be drawn to earlier transitions, shifts that always has its roots in disruptive technology. Postmodern, Postinustrial and so on.

    What characterizes disruptive technology is that the new is not better than the old on what the old was good at, or else we would only have talked about development of the old technology. The new technology is good at something new. The radio was not better than live music at being live. The movie was not better than the theater in the interaction between actors and their public.. there are many examples. When the new are in the middle of its revolution and really is succeeding, everybody embraces it. Our language adopts to it, the whole commercial side of our society embraces it and every one around us. But somewhere along he line more and more people stop and starts to fall out of the line, something is missing, something got lost along the way. Suddenly shure recipes of commercial ads stop working. People got fed up. Live music did not die because of radio, or records and cassette tapes. The theater did not die due to movies and movies did not die because of TV. Old technology do not die just because we think it will at the time when we are living the new revolution, it just goes out from the hype and keeps on existing on its own terms, not the commercial terms, its own.

    At the sixties “everyone” just knew that BW-film would die, we knew it, it was just around the corner, just wait and see.. We are still waiting 40 years later. It just keeps on living on its own terms, keeps on being good att being BW-film. In the “post-color-film” world it keeps on living at its own terms. But back in the early eighties when even the most conservative photographers had begun using color film people where looked upon as very strange if they kept on using BW-film. Today? No one starts to put negative labels on people making BW photographs, but they do question the use of film, still. A couple of years from now they will not, just as we do not question a person who makes his own furniture from wood, nails and glue. But when the postindustrial society was very young, a person who made his own furniture had to explain himself among his friends.

    I remember when digital wristwatches became popular back in the early eighties. Exactly every one had one, they became more and full of features, played small melodies, could be programmed with wake-up functions, got minicalculators and so on with bells and whistles. If someone back then asked for plain simple whatch with a dial face, electronic clockwork or not, they where looked upon as back striving dinosaurs and could even be ridiculed by salesmen. Kids got bullied by their classmates at school if they did not have the latest and greatest digital wristwatch. But look around you today +25 years later. No one gets ridiculed if they do not have a digital wristwatch, most stores selling watches have more of kind with a good ol dial face. Today both types lives on at their own terms, the commercial hype blew over.

    In the eighties many music artists saw live tours as something necessary evil to promote records, and records where quite expensive. Today records is cheap, can come for “free” when buying a newspaper or magazine, but live concerts.. good seats in a high profile city can be extremely expensive, and even so, the bands play for full house. It has become the other way around and records are more and seen as promotion for “the real thing”. In the postdigital society with virtual this and that the real thing, that cannot be copied infinite for next to nothing, gets valued higher, a lot higher.

    I use film of several reasons. But it is only to those that yet have to take the first steps towards “post” i have to explain. I value photography and there is a part that cannot be improved upon by technology, photography is not just a way to get a picture as quick and easy as possible. Just as the carpenter who makes his own furniture, or the painter and many more examples. It also has a lot to do with the camera itself, not the recording medium in it. I want to be the driver, not a passenger to the technology. I would probably buy a digital camera that looks, feels and most important handles and is just as manual as my 30 year old SLR, even if it costs 5000eur for just the housing. But there are no such camera, for any money, no matter how big pile of money i could pay. In the market departments of the camera manufacturers, that have yet to take first step towards “post” i do not exist, despite that there are already today people like me in numbers probably greater than the whole world market share of Pentax (the smallest of the big ones). But it is just a matter of time until we once again can buy those cameras with a “good ol dial face”. And! This is important. In every shift to post when old things just keeps on living on its own terms, it has nothing to do with “retro” or nostalgia. People do not buy plain simple wristwatches out of nostalgia, not plain simple bicycles without gears, suspension, diskbrakes and what not either. Nostalgia has nothing to do with old technology that lives on in new things on its own terms, nostalgia is about old things. A Leica M9 is not about nostagia for example, it is new, a camera that i would be very happy with, if it wasnt a rangefinder, i am an SLR-man. An old M3 cold be nostalgia, but not if the owner is young. So, the camera itself is one reason. I like it simple, and do not confuse simple with easy to use. The simplest camera of them all, is the old style large format camera, but that is at the same time the hardest one to use. Good scanners more and more reasonably priced is probably also one part reason to the upswing of large format photography lately, now we are talking megapixels, like 500Mp and even more. As computing hardware gets better and better, filesizes get silly.. With large format photography we really are talking about other photography values than just recording a picture, a really slow and very deliberate photography where the photographer really is the manual driver and not the passenger to anything. And again, it has nothing what so ever to do with retro or nostalgia, not even the slightest to most people who actually use that kind of equipment. But believe me, they do value photography a lot more than average Joe on the street wondering why they are not using a digital camera.

    Another is that the recording is physical, a physical original, not logical information of ones and zeroes, no need for any equipment at all to see with our eyes. Put it in a box and there it is, not a lifetime of endless copying to be preserved. Digital preservation for the future requires work, a deliberate act of copying. Though digital preserves better due to exact copies, or rather, duplication of originals, but it requires a lifetime of copying at certain times to last a lifetime. Forgotten digital information cease to exist, forgotten physical things will still be there when found again. Film is easy to store, just forget it. The less you handle it, the better. But all my digital images requires my time, time and time again, whenever i upgrade, change hardware and so on. As an old computer nerd with some programming skills, i have realized this long ago. I caught memories on film, unimportant things on quick and easy digital. But this is secondary for me, it is just the medium of capture, my valuation of photography lies elsewhere. A part of it even in the darkroom, i do process my own film today, for BW i even make my own chemistry from raw chemicals. And thanks to free global electronic communication and the sharing mentality of man kind, i know how to do it environmentally friendly of chemicals we have in our food. Though it is not recommended to drink photo-chemistry, but maybe we should start to think about what we drink and eat.

    • http://thephoblographer.wordpress.com Chris Gampat

      You now hold the record for the longest comment ever on this blog.

  • HMonk

    Interesting discussion. My first camera was a Brownie Hawkeye which I received as an 8th birthday gift from my photographer uncle in 1950. A few years later, I saved up and purchased a Minolta Autocord that I still use; then came an SR-7 (1963) and finally an F3 in 1982.

    Following in my uncle’s footsteps, I concentrated on B&W utilizing Adams’s Zone System. For the most, I utilized Kodak film and Agfa papers, especially Brovira. For me, creating in the darkroom was king, trying to achieve perfection from, I hoped, near perfect negatives.

    In my early studies of photography, I remember well the discussions of artists (canvas) who mocked photography as not belonging to the arts because, after all, the photographer merely captured what was before the lens. Furthermore, in the eyes of these artists, the darkroom was simply a place where fallacious manipulation (e.g., dogging/burning) took place. Photography an art? Indeed!

    A few years ago I purchased my first P&S digital camera (Fuji FinePix 3800). Well, at least it looked like an SLR instead of the cigarette case my father used to use. Fortunately (or not), my business afforded me the necessity of becoming a bit of a geek which facilitated my entrance into “processing” digital images (started off with PhotoFiltre, then GIMP). Fun stuff whose creative possibilities are legion.

    Earlier this year, I purchased a Nikon D300s. I chose this DX camera for two reasons: the D300s allows me to utilize my many non-CPU AI lenses and, secondly, it’s $1000 cheaper than its closest FX cousin, the D700. I now use Nikon’s Capture NX2 to process my images.

    Photographers, other than snapshot takers (whom I am not demeaning) appreciate the many complex aspects of photography, much like the specialties in medicine. Be it film or digital, I think all of the various aspects of photography qualify as art and each aspect, in their own way, will attract people who wish to specialize according to their interests or capabilities. Not terribly computer literate, digital photography may prove daunting; inclined to chemicals, gadgets, and the unknown (until it’s finally printed), B&W film and the darkroom may be the cat’s meow.

    I have no idea why people might vacillate between film and digital other than to suggest that it is their nature to prefer one medium over the other for whatever reason, pragmatic or artistic. Secondly, I do not think it valid to compare one medium to the other (film v. digital) because . . . well, that’s apples and oranges, as I have already implied. If Sam likes apples and Ann likes oranges, none of us should view either as being right or wrong, sophisticated or old-fashioned, geek or noob, or artistic v. manipulating.

    Unlike 19th century painters, I view all of the specialties of photography as art, i.e., products of human creativity. I employ each according to my whimsy.

  • Will

    I grew up with digital, but discovered film and I have not looked back. As digital photography is recently new (as in a few decades), when it first started everyone wanted one – like a ‘craze’ because it changed photography. Now it is part of the norm and maybe people are looking elsewhere for something else?

    I’m a photography student and so I have access to darkrooms. The hands-on approach is a lot more interesting to me and if I needed to use digital I can always scan film to digital. IMO medium/large format has a better quality to a digital camera and even 35mm has its qualities that digital technology cannot attain.

  • btezra

    my goodness folks, should I break out the boxing gloves so the film vs. digi shooters battle royale can begin??

    How about this, shoot what you enjoy shooting and shoot it w/ the camera/lens/gear you enjoy using most. It’s as simple as that. It’s NOT about what you shoot with it’s THE MOMENT YOU CAPTURE that’s what matters most.

  • Dee

    Why does it have to be a battle?
    Its just a medium, no one cares if I cook on the cast iron or aluminum as long as it tastes good right?
    Film is something i enjoyed very much and i’m not getting rid of that camera yet but it’s wait too expensive in the long run.
    I invested in a good digital camera and the convenience is a pleasure, I just have to learn how to use it to its full potential. As an artists, a camera like the 5d with video also allows me to experiment with a new medium.
    The money upfront thing for a decent $500 camera can be an issue, but we spend more money on cigarettes and clothes.
    Film is a priviledge and it has the issue of chance because it doesn’t matter how experienced we are, we still make mistakes.
    Having said that, the mistakes are often a source of unimaginable beauty.

  • http://www.flickr.com/sapientiguana Lucian

    Last time i checked whilst using digital i needed to know about “aperture settings, ISO film, shutter speeds and other terminology.”

    Having spent hundreds of hours in a darkroom hovering over trays of chemicals I know why digital is such a wonderful thing.

    (I still use MF film too, but then I scan it afterwards, so it’s … um … digital too).

  • SLP

    I can guarantee that most people who are “going back” to film will go back to digital.

    Also, film is very “romantic.” Students and artists tend to say once they start using “film” they will never go back to digital. Just wait a few years, they’ll all shoot digital (but not necessarily ditch film). Film is simply too costly in the long run.

    Soon enough, digital cameras with sensors that match or exceed medium format film quality will become affordable to most consumers.

    • bap

      Um, I wouldn’t bet the farm on your “guarantee” SLP…

      Film and digital both have their place. And you might want to rethink your “film is more costly than digital” statement. It might cost more in the beginning to purchase and process film but consider this:

      1.) You can get resolution with film that isn’t even thinkable, let alone possible, in the digital realm and won’t be for years and years to come. My 35-year old Nikon F2A will make a far better image than a $8000 D3X and I paid less than $150 for it.

      2.) After your typical digital photographer upgrades his kit three or four times in as few years to keep up with the competitors, you have just doubled or tripled the film budget of a film shooter covering the same period. It’s called “digital rust” and it renders $5000 “state-of-the-art cameras as paperweights in a few short years.

      3.) Archive costs. How much does storage and archiving cost? After you spend dozens of hours editing and culling images to keep you have to store them somewhere. Multiple hard drives, RAID-enabled home storage, off-site storage subscriptions, etc. all cost more money. And THEN you still only have stored 1′s and 0′s, not actual images. Negatives or chromes will keep a hundred years or more.

      And the list goes on…

      In the end film really isn’t so “expensive” and digital isn’t so “cheap” after all, eh?

      I shoot both, but I prefer film.

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  • Jim

    I know this may be an older post, but It’s the first time
    for me seeing it. I don’t think they’re dissing digital at all, The video shows
    people with opinions of both sides, I think they’re just showing what people
    think… They have a point when the video states that digital camera’s have
    been forced down everyone’s throat… When you walk into a store, they’re not
    going to try and sell you a $250.00 SLR film camera when they can make the
    revenue off a 560.00-2.000 DSLR. In the city of Toronto here, Toronto has been
    the first to jump on the Technology bandwagon with all the new advancements of
    technology, but on the other hand, There’s plenty of stores here that still
    carry the old cameras which in my opinion allot of people can’t be bothered
    with because of the simple fact that they can’t just simply point the camera at
    something and let the electronics of it do all the work. I can’t speak on
    behalf of other cities, but here in Toronto, The shelves of the camera repair
    shops of some of the more higher end camera stores have old film cameras
    stalked up to the ceiling. Just last month, One of the camera stores had told
    me that the older m42 screw mount lenses are making a strong comeback, and
    there’s only 2 reasons for it. 1- Cost effective and 2-Pretty much adaptable to
    almost any camera.

    Most people are under the impression that it’s going to a whole lot cheaper to
    take photos with digital cameras… Well, they may be right, and they may be
    wrong. They’re 100% right when it just comes to taking the photo rather than
    having to buy the film and have it processed, but what happens when they need
    prints? That’s where it all changes. take place. I think we all know what
    cartridges cost for printers and how many prints you can actually get out of
    them. It’s not cheap; compare that to anywhere from .30 – .40 cents per print
    at a local film lab.

    Please don’t take this comment as an insult, as it not intended to be one, but
    I just simply think it’s just a matter of personal opinion. Some can’t be
    bothered with the complication of taking photos without electronics assisting
    their image quality, where as some others prefer the full manual control over
    an image and having to work a bit harder to get a good quality image…  But
    there’s 3 things that I can tell you about my old film camera, and that is if I should be out in the field. 1- Don’t need to worry about batteries dieing, 2- Don’t need to worry about electronics failing, 3-Don’t need to worry about having a working computer to get my images + replacement gear can be obtained for a 1/4 of the cost as the modern gear today.

    Cheers!
    Jim

  • Jim

    I know this may be an older post, but It’s the first time
    for me seeing it. I don’t think they’re dissing digital at all, The video shows
    people with opinions of both sides, I think they’re just showing what people
    think… They have a point when the video states that digital camera’s have
    been forced down everyone’s throat… When you walk into a store, they’re not
    going to try and sell you a $250.00 SLR film camera when they can make the
    revenue off a 560.00-2.000 DSLR. In the city of Toronto here, Toronto has been
    the first to jump on the Technology bandwagon with all the new advancements of
    technology, but on the other hand, There’s plenty of stores here that still
    carry the old cameras which in my opinion allot of people can’t be bothered
    with because of the simple fact that they can’t just simply point the camera at
    something and let the electronics of it do all the work. I can’t speak on
    behalf of other cities, but here in Toronto, The shelves of the camera repair
    shops of some of the more higher end camera stores have old film cameras
    stalked up to the ceiling. Just last month, One of the camera stores had told
    me that the older m42 screw mount lenses are making a strong comeback, and
    there’s only 2 reasons for it. 1- Cost effective and 2-Pretty much adaptable to
    almost any camera.

    Most people are under the impression that it’s going to a whole lot cheaper to
    take photos with digital cameras… Well, they may be right, and they may be
    wrong. They’re 100% right when it just comes to taking the photo rather than
    having to buy the film and have it processed, but what happens when they need
    prints? That’s where it all changes. take place. I think we all know what
    cartridges cost for printers and how many prints you can actually get out of
    them. It’s not cheap; compare that to anywhere from .30 – .40 cents per print
    at a local film lab.

    Please don’t take this comment as an insult, as it not intended to be one, but
    I just simply think it’s just a matter of personal opinion. Some can’t be
    bothered with the complication of taking photos without electronics assisting
    their image quality, where as some others prefer the full manual control over
    an image and having to work a bit harder to get a good quality image…  But
    there’s 3 things that I can tell you about my old film camera, and that is if I should be out in the field. 1- Don’t need to worry about batteries dieing, 2- Don’t need to worry about electronics failing, 3-Don’t need to worry about having a working computer to get my images + replacement gear can be obtained for a 1/4 of the cost as the modern gear today.

    Cheers!
    Jim